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So it's not just us then ??

Our dear friends in the MOD have a track record of a "scattergun approach to exemptions". (Parliamrntary Ombudsman).

Any mileage in this direction. What do people think?

http://www.ombudsman.org.uk/improving_services/selected_cases/AOI/aoi9806/a32-96.html


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Cool Cool, man!

SCATTERGUN APPROACH! What a lovely phrase, and how appropiate it is to the manner in which not only MOD DS Sec have fired off umpteen reasons why the PJM cannot be formally worn, but also by the Cabinet Office and FCO who have joined in the barrage with their own "scatterguns" while using the same ammo as the MOD DS Sec. The case referred to, although over a long period of time is a) confined to MOD only and b) is based solely on the refusal of MOD to provide information to Mr J.

The Barrage from "scatterguns" upon us from all directions, is not merely one of refusing to provide information under the FIO, but also of re-writing rules with the intent of placing the PJM outside of any rule which would allow its wearing, plus additional fusilades of 'porkys', misrepresentation, misinformation, disinformation to all and sundry including the PM himself, Ministers and Members of Parliament. It would be a formidable task for the Ombudsman.. The question is; would he take it on? I would like to think so. And, of course, how many months or years would it take to get an answer? I still reckon Parliament offers the best way at this time. We could hold Ombudsman in reserve though.



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Well put GLOman as is your very detailed "Road to Damascus".

The Ombudsman may be worth a punt, if only to remind the suits that we are still here, watching, waiting and planning. Also to remind them that we are in this to the end, as long as it takes.

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I forgot the 7.62 insults when mentioning types of ammo; remember dissafected, medal-chasing, envious of our younger comrades?

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Cool Cool, man!

SCATTERGUN APPROACH! What a lovely phrase, and how appropiate it is to the manner in which not only MOD DS Sec have fired off umpteen reasons why the PJM cannot be formally worn, but also by the Cabinet Office and FCO who have joined in the barrage with their own "scatterguns" while using the same ammo as the MOD DS Sec. The case referred to, although over a long period of time is a) confined to MOD only and b) is based solely on the refusal of MOD to provide information to Mr J.

The Barrage from "scatterguns" upon us from all directions, is not merely one of refusing to provide information under the FIO, but also of re-writing rules with the intent of placing the PJM outside of any rule which would allow its wearing, plus additional fusilades of 'porkys', misrepresentation, misinformation, disinformation to all and sundry including the PM himself, Ministers and Members of Parliament. It would be a formidable task for the Ombudsman.. The question is; would he take it on? I would like to think so. And, of course, how many months or years would it take to get an answer? I still reckon Parliament offers the best way at this time. We could hold Ombudsman in reserve though.



I have to agree with you GLOman that we could hold on to the Ombudsman as a reserve. I think years rather than months would be the answer to how long a complaint would take to resolve and again we would have the old Royalty bogie-ghost which no-one in this country has any access to. However, no matter whether you agree with the present incumbent or not, we still have a democracy where we, the people, elect our parliament and where our parliament has the last word, provided the Queen knows about it as the Constitutional head. So the answer at the moment is a democratic decision by our parliament at the behest of the people of this country. The MOD - FCO - HD Committee and most civil service departments are in an absolute mess at the present time so much so that they are all experts in wasting time, money and resources but we are not finished with them, not by a long chalk.
We have come a long way over the past two years thanks to many people including Barry and all our supporters over the world.

One thing we have achieved and that is the PJM was given permission from Her Majesty the Queen (or so they say) to be worn in Malaysia last year, albeit temporarily. With this they have shot themselves in the foot and destroyed all their double medal arguments, and integrity of the honours system, proliferation of foreign medals etc etc. We are gaining on them and although the time it is taking is somewhat frustrating hold tight dear Band of Brothers, we will beat them as we did the the CT's and insurgents in Malaya and Borneo.

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[One thing we have achieved and that is the PJM was given permission from Her Majesty the Queen (or so they say) to be worn in Malaysia last year, albeit temporarily. With this they have shot themselves in the foot and destroyed all their double medal arguments, and integrity of the honours system, proliferation of foreign medals etc etc. We are gaining on them and although the time it is taking is somewhat frustrating hold tight dear Band of Brothers, we will beat them as we did the the CT's and insurgents in Malaya and Borneo.


That is it in a nutshell McD! Laughing


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mcdangle wrote:
[One thing we have achieved and that is the PJM was given permission from Her Majesty the Queen (or so they say) to be worn in Malaysia last year, albeit temporarily. With this they have shot themselves in the foot and destroyed all their double medal arguments, and integrity of the honours system, proliferation of foreign medals etc etc. We are gaining on them and although the time it is taking is somewhat frustrating hold tight dear Band of Brothers, we will beat them as we did the the CT's and insurgents in Malaya and Borneo.


That is it in a nutshell McD! Laughing


Yes John, and what I forgot to mention is that 'they' have authorised the Pingat Jasa Malaysia to the world as an honourable medal which can be worn even in front of Royalty ie. the grand old Duke of York!
No matter what they say now, they cannot accuse anyone of being discourteous to the Queen when wearing the PJM as they (The Queen?) have made it a wearable medal.

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I agree with McD entirely, we are holding the moral high ground and every time they respond to us and ours they shoot themselves.

John

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Any mileage in this direction. What do people think?

http://www.ombudsman.org.uk/improving_services/selected_cases/AOI/aoi9806/a32-96.html


The final sentence says it all for me.....

"Total screening and investigation time = 63 weeks"

Hence the expression folks, of "Don't hold your breath."


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