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The Cabinet Office have often quoted the rules on accepting foreign medal what they didn’t tell us is that these rules were placed in the House of Commons library after the PJM was awarded and confirmed.
This proof I received today 30/03/10
LG Notice 5057 still stands.

The regulations were placed in the Library on 25 November 2005


RULES GOVERNING THE ACCEPTANCE AND WEARING OF FOREIGN
ORDERS, DECORATIONS AND MEDALS BY CITIZENS OF THE
UNITED KINGDOM AND HER OVERSEAS TERRITORIES



These rules set out the circumstances under which a citizen of the United Kingdom or her Overseas Territories (“UK citizen”) may be granted The Sovereign’s permission to accept and wear an Order, Decoration or Medal (“foreign award”) conferred by a Head of State or Government of a foreign country, Head of Government of a Commonwealth country of which The Sovereign is not Head of State and certain international organisations (collectively referred to as “foreign state”).

Principles

1. No UK citizen may accept and wear a foreign award without The Sovereign’s permission. Such permission must be sought as soon as there is an indication that an award may be offered.

2. The granting of permission for a UK citizen to accept an award offered by a foreign state will only be considered if the award recognises specified services rendered to the interests of that foreign state.

3. Permission will not be given for UK citizens to accept a foreign award if they have received, or are expected to receive, a UK award for the same services.

4. Acceptance of a foreign award does not mean that the UK will make a reciprocal offer directly or indirectly associated with the UK recipient.

Permission

5. Permission to wear a foreign award, if granted, will be either:

• unrestricted – allowing the award to be worn on any occasion; or

• restricted – allowing the award to be worn only on particular occasions associated with the foreign state that conferred it.

6. The grant of permission, whether unrestricted or restricted, will be conveyed by letter to the UK citizen concerned from the The Sovereign’s Private Secretary.

Application

7. A foreign state wishing to confer an award on a UK citizen is expected to ascertain – through its Diplomatic Representative at The Court of St James’s – whether permission to accept an award would be likely to be given. Such requests for clearance will only be entertained in respect of awards given by Heads of State or Governments recognised as such by The Sovereign.

8. Requests made by certain international organisations (e.g., the United Nations and NATO) in respect of service in operations under their auspices should be made to the Defence Services Secretary in the Ministry of Defence.
9. Requests made in respect of services rendered more than five years previously, or in connection with events in the distant past (e.g., commemorative awards), will not be entertained.

10. Requests for clearance meeting the requirement of these regulations will be submitted to The Sovereign for consideration by the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs – who will be under no obligation to make such a submission if the application has not been made as indicated in paragraphs 7 and 8 above.

11. Requests for clearance in the case of foreign awards conferred by private societies or institutions will not be granted.

Guidelines

12. Each request will be treated on a case by case basis. The fact that a similar application has been approved in the past should not be taken as implying that permission will be granted.

13. The grant of unrestricted permission will be considered in the case of foreign awards conferred for services:

• related to the saving or attempting to save life ;

• by any member of the UK Armed Forces or other UK official on exchange, attachment or loan to a foreign state who is involved in a military operation or an emergency on behalf of that country, state or organisation;

• by any member of the UK Armed Forces serving in a UK Unit within a bi-lateral force under the command of the other country who renders especial service to the country’s forces in a military operation or emergency; or

• in military operations under the auspices of an international organisation (e.g., the United Nations).

14. The grant of restricted permission will be considered in the case of foreign awards conferred:

• on the occasion of and in connection with a State or official visit by a Head of State or Government of a foreign or Commonwealth country;

• in connection with a State visit by The Sovereign; or

• to members of Special Missions when The Sovereign is represented at a coronation, wedding or funeral or other similar occasion; or on any Diplomatic Representative when specially accredited to represent The Sovereign on such occasions.

15. Other than in circumstances described in paragraphs 13 and 14 above, permission, unrestricted or restricted, will not be granted to :

• Crown servants generally;

• in particular, to Heads or other members of HM Diplomatic or Consular establishments abroad when leaving their posts – whether on transfer or on final retirement; and
• senior officials, military and civilian, visiting foreign states.
16. No permission is needed for the acceptance of any foreign award if it is designed not to be worn.

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Your persistence has unearthed another anomaly Paul


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Again Paul, you have excelled.

Taking para 6, none of us had a letter from the Queen's private secretary informing us of the PJM award.

Para 13 (2) (3) er, own goal again I think.

Now for a quick quiz, did Tony Blarg accept the conferred Congressional Medal of Honour, before or after this was placed in the library.

Sorry, no prizes but answers on a postcard to Honours and Decorations Committee.

Don't you just love it.

Yours Aye

Arthur R-S

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Terrific Paul and it simply proves what we already knew. They wouldn't know the truth if it hit them in the face. (in my humble opinion of course). Very Happy

Yes Arthur I too am waiting for my letter. Of course they refused to have anything to do with the PJM so one assumes they do not know who has got it anyway. Confused

And 13 (2) and (3) is not only an own goal but a fabulous "hat trick". Rolling Eyes

I would love to see our case tested in the courts, including their digusting responses to the Freedom of Information act and the way they delay any complaints. Also depositing rules after the event. See what an honest Judge - who would not tolerate their practices if they tried them before a court - would make of this.

Let us hope that the new Government (?) will keep their promises to review this whole debacle.

Signed Disgusted of York.

By the way, I saw a super picture on an internet news website this morning, in an article about repairs needed at the Royal Hospital Chelsea. It is a close up picture of a Chelses Pensioners medals. Yes you have guessed it, the PJM hangs there proud and sparkling.


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Knowing what we already know there is much amusement to be found in Paul's recently discovered load of old rubbish and my giggle comes in para 5 under, restricted wear, "allowing the award to be worn on particular occasions associated with the foreign state that conferred it."

This, in my opinion, proves that the serpents had already planned the brief 'amnesty' re the PJM to preserve Prince Andrew's dignity when he attended the August 2007 Merdeka celebrations in Kuala Lumpur.


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Well done Paul, they continue to wriggle and slither, as only serpents can.


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